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		<title>By: Breakfast Nook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breakfast Nook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>;~, I am really thankful to this topic because it really gives up to date information ~.,</description>
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		<title>By: MATERIEL EQUITATION PAS CHER</title>
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		<dc:creator>MATERIEL EQUITATION PAS CHER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Film Blowing Machine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Film Blowing Machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Espinosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Espinosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 06:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic:  A lesson in grammar...

Quote: &quot;Those who does not believe in its existence must be lack of research about the Shri Vijayan Empire that once ruled the visayas region (negros)..&quot;

* Those is plural so it should be &quot;Those who DO not...&quot;

* The dictionary defines must as &quot;To be obliged or required by morality, law, or custom&quot; so is Rommel requiring people to &quot;lack research?&quot; The statement should have been &quot;Those who DO not believe in its existence lack research...&quot;

* Visayas is spelled with a capital V because it is a proper noun.

* The Visayas region is not only Negros Island. You also have the islands of Panay, Cebu, Siquijor, Samar, Leyte.  

* Although it can also be spelled as Shri, the word is universally transliterated as Sri and used to address Gods in Hindu pantheon, elders, teachers, holy men and any individual. 



On Topic:  

Which brings me to my first point. Mr. Rommel was claiming that the Sri Vijaya Empire ruled the Visayas so the questions are:

Were the early Malays of Panay Island Hindus then?  
If he says no, he has just contradicted himself.
If he says yes, what&#039;s his proof?
The early Bornean settlers were pagans who worshipped Bulalakaw in Madia-as, not Kali the Black One.  

Rommel claims to know pre-Hispanic history of the Philippines so that means he knows what was the pre-Hispanic name of the Philippines. So Mr. Rommel what&#039;s the pre-Hispanic name of the Philippines?

The real question is if he can give a name, can we find such name in ANCIENT records about the Sri Vijaya Empire? All the supposed &quot;sources&quot; he has offered as evidence are all MODERN TIME, which is much, much younger than Spanish Era sources.  

Can we find the name Pekiti-Tirsia in the Malay language in the pre-Hispanic times? Surely Rommel can not because both words are derived from Spanish words.  

Is this to say that Pekiti-Tirsia is also adulterated? If PTK disdains Arnis and Eskrima as Spanish words, why still use Pekiti-Tirsia which is also Spanish-derived?

PROSTITUTE, as defined by dictionaries, means &quot;One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts; One who sells one&#039;s abilities, talent, or name.&quot; Pekiti-Tirsia is being taught in the Philippines, USA, and Europe. Go figure.  

I can go on and on but i&#039;m sure Rommel is not capable to parry the points I&#039;ve raised convincingly so I&#039;ll leave it at that for the meantime.

My belief is if Rommel&#039;s grammar doesn&#039;t stand to par, it only follows that his research also doesn&#039;t stand to par.

As regards them issuing the death penalty, if forced enough eskrimadors might as well give them what they want, a real fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic:  A lesson in grammar&#8230;</p>
<p>Quote: &#8220;Those who does not believe in its existence must be lack of research about the Shri Vijayan Empire that once ruled the visayas region (negros)..&#8221;</p>
<p>* Those is plural so it should be &#8220;Those who DO not&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>* The dictionary defines must as &#8220;To be obliged or required by morality, law, or custom&#8221; so is Rommel requiring people to &#8220;lack research?&#8221; The statement should have been &#8220;Those who DO not believe in its existence lack research&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>* Visayas is spelled with a capital V because it is a proper noun.</p>
<p>* The Visayas region is not only Negros Island. You also have the islands of Panay, Cebu, Siquijor, Samar, Leyte.  </p>
<p>* Although it can also be spelled as Shri, the word is universally transliterated as Sri and used to address Gods in Hindu pantheon, elders, teachers, holy men and any individual. </p>
<p>On Topic:  </p>
<p>Which brings me to my first point. Mr. Rommel was claiming that the Sri Vijaya Empire ruled the Visayas so the questions are:</p>
<p>Were the early Malays of Panay Island Hindus then?<br />
If he says no, he has just contradicted himself.<br />
If he says yes, what&#8217;s his proof?<br />
The early Bornean settlers were pagans who worshipped Bulalakaw in Madia-as, not Kali the Black One.  </p>
<p>Rommel claims to know pre-Hispanic history of the Philippines so that means he knows what was the pre-Hispanic name of the Philippines. So Mr. Rommel what&#8217;s the pre-Hispanic name of the Philippines?</p>
<p>The real question is if he can give a name, can we find such name in ANCIENT records about the Sri Vijaya Empire? All the supposed &#8220;sources&#8221; he has offered as evidence are all MODERN TIME, which is much, much younger than Spanish Era sources.  </p>
<p>Can we find the name Pekiti-Tirsia in the Malay language in the pre-Hispanic times? Surely Rommel can not because both words are derived from Spanish words.  </p>
<p>Is this to say that Pekiti-Tirsia is also adulterated? If PTK disdains Arnis and Eskrima as Spanish words, why still use Pekiti-Tirsia which is also Spanish-derived?</p>
<p>PROSTITUTE, as defined by dictionaries, means &#8220;One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts; One who sells one&#8217;s abilities, talent, or name.&#8221; Pekiti-Tirsia is being taught in the Philippines, USA, and Europe. Go figure.  </p>
<p>I can go on and on but i&#8217;m sure Rommel is not capable to parry the points I&#8217;ve raised convincingly so I&#8217;ll leave it at that for the meantime.</p>
<p>My belief is if Rommel&#8217;s grammar doesn&#8217;t stand to par, it only follows that his research also doesn&#8217;t stand to par.</p>
<p>As regards them issuing the death penalty, if forced enough eskrimadors might as well give them what they want, a real fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald A. Harris, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald A. Harris, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Practitioners,
I am a martial artist and adopted son of Bacolod City who has studied Filipino martial arts (FMA) both in the United States and Philippines, since 1975. I have had the privilege to learn from superb teachers in various styles, methods, and systems. During my research on FMAs, I traveled on Luzon, Cebu, Negros, Boracay, Panay, and Mindanao seeking evidence of so-called KALI. I also interviewed instructors in California, Hawaii, and where I live in Louisiana. These places were settled by Filipinos who emigrated to the United States. I have read the chronicles of Magellan&#039;s Voyage. Captain Magellan died on Mactan Island when his armed forces fought against the indigenous armed forces led by Datu Lapu Lapu. Whenever there is armed conflict, there is a blending of martial arts. Antonio Pigafetta described the knife used by people now called the Cebuanos as a &quot;calix.&quot; Perhaps, this is the origin of the &quot;kalis&quot; that became the art of Kali. To my knowledge, KALI is modern nomenclature, aside from the Hindu Goddess of thuggee legend. It was created to serve the nationalist and personal interests of instructors of Filipino descent who are/were teaching FMAs in the United States. This understanding of mine came with much personal grief, because the promoters of KALI were my own teachers and I have gotten both useful knowledge and certificates in their styles, systems, and methods. In fact, I have rank certificates that may say Arnis, Eskrima, or Kali on them. So I can teach the FMAs under any of those names. But I want to be true to myself and others. When I established my own umbrella FMA organization in 1991, Classic Eskrima, this matter of what to call the Filipino martial arts as could be authenticated was foremost in my mind. Here in this forum, I know Mr. James U. Sy, Jr. and Mr. Rommel Tortal. They are two excellent practitioners who seek the truth of Filipino martial arts through understanding. We are left with the problem of the &quot;name of the rose.&quot; A rose is a rose, by any other name. Escrima was certainly the martial art of Spanish conquistadores. What survived in blending after the development of firearms and colonization by the Americans, became indigenous knowledge held by Filipinos. But if you read about the Katipuneros, you will see that they adopted Spanish weapons in resistance fighting. The famous Apache Chief Geronimo learned how ride a horse and shoot a rifle in opposition to American expansion. Before the Spanish who brought horses and the English who brought guns, the Apaches walked on foot and used archery. Their knife fighting was developed with imported steel weapons.  Eskrima was reborn during Japanese occupation and continued later as Arnis, until recently. Kali was created recently as a blending of Southeast Asian martial arts techniques to illustrate the Majapahit or Sri Vishayan heritage. Recent evidence suggests that the Philippine Archipelago was first settled by Negritos and later conquered by people from Taiwan in the Austronesian expansion. The name of Kali comes to us like the name of Taekwondo. Both arts claim an ancient lineage, but their techniques are built-up recently and evolving always. If you look closely at Pekiti Tirsia as I have, you can see the elements of Spanish influenced court dances and movements from the Ricarte Eskrima System. I have a Pekiti Tirsia certificate that calls the Filipino martial arts Arnis. I have another one that calls the Filipino martial arts Kali. I call it Eskrima. 
Yours, Ron Harris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Practitioners,<br />
I am a martial artist and adopted son of Bacolod City who has studied Filipino martial arts (FMA) both in the United States and Philippines, since 1975. I have had the privilege to learn from superb teachers in various styles, methods, and systems. During my research on FMAs, I traveled on Luzon, Cebu, Negros, Boracay, Panay, and Mindanao seeking evidence of so-called KALI. I also interviewed instructors in California, Hawaii, and where I live in Louisiana. These places were settled by Filipinos who emigrated to the United States. I have read the chronicles of Magellan&#8217;s Voyage. Captain Magellan died on Mactan Island when his armed forces fought against the indigenous armed forces led by Datu Lapu Lapu. Whenever there is armed conflict, there is a blending of martial arts. Antonio Pigafetta described the knife used by people now called the Cebuanos as a &#8220;calix.&#8221; Perhaps, this is the origin of the &#8220;kalis&#8221; that became the art of Kali. To my knowledge, KALI is modern nomenclature, aside from the Hindu Goddess of thuggee legend. It was created to serve the nationalist and personal interests of instructors of Filipino descent who are/were teaching FMAs in the United States. This understanding of mine came with much personal grief, because the promoters of KALI were my own teachers and I have gotten both useful knowledge and certificates in their styles, systems, and methods. In fact, I have rank certificates that may say Arnis, Eskrima, or Kali on them. So I can teach the FMAs under any of those names. But I want to be true to myself and others. When I established my own umbrella FMA organization in 1991, Classic Eskrima, this matter of what to call the Filipino martial arts as could be authenticated was foremost in my mind. Here in this forum, I know Mr. James U. Sy, Jr. and Mr. Rommel Tortal. They are two excellent practitioners who seek the truth of Filipino martial arts through understanding. We are left with the problem of the &#8220;name of the rose.&#8221; A rose is a rose, by any other name. Escrima was certainly the martial art of Spanish conquistadores. What survived in blending after the development of firearms and colonization by the Americans, became indigenous knowledge held by Filipinos. But if you read about the Katipuneros, you will see that they adopted Spanish weapons in resistance fighting. The famous Apache Chief Geronimo learned how ride a horse and shoot a rifle in opposition to American expansion. Before the Spanish who brought horses and the English who brought guns, the Apaches walked on foot and used archery. Their knife fighting was developed with imported steel weapons.  Eskrima was reborn during Japanese occupation and continued later as Arnis, until recently. Kali was created recently as a blending of Southeast Asian martial arts techniques to illustrate the Majapahit or Sri Vishayan heritage. Recent evidence suggests that the Philippine Archipelago was first settled by Negritos and later conquered by people from Taiwan in the Austronesian expansion. The name of Kali comes to us like the name of Taekwondo. Both arts claim an ancient lineage, but their techniques are built-up recently and evolving always. If you look closely at Pekiti Tirsia as I have, you can see the elements of Spanish influenced court dances and movements from the Ricarte Eskrima System. I have a Pekiti Tirsia certificate that calls the Filipino martial arts Arnis. I have another one that calls the Filipino martial arts Kali. I call it Eskrima.<br />
Yours, Ron Harris</p>
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		<title>By: James U. Sy Jr.</title>
		<link>http://casasai.org/updates/articles/is-kali-appropriate-to-describe-an-indigenous-blade-based-filipino-martial-arts/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>James U. Sy Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 00:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mel, 

For the sake of us unbelievers, would you be kind enough to present your &quot;evidence(s)?&quot;  

Maybe, maybe if these evidences are valid enough you may be able to change people to your perspective.

In the Court of Law, mere mention of the Library of Congress and others do not constitute evidence.  Under the law, everyone is given equal protection.  That is, if one is the defendant he can always present VALID evidence to clear his name.   

But until no VALID evidence is forwarded, the FACTS remain, the HISTORICITY of the NAME Kali as the unadulterated supreme Mother Art of all Filipino Martial Arts is a a big question mark that awaits to be authenticated.  

And yes, in the Republic of the Philippines, the Death Penalty can only be issued by the Courts of Law, unless otherwise we&#039;re talking of unlawful death penalty just like in the Maguindanao Massacre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mel, </p>
<p>For the sake of us unbelievers, would you be kind enough to present your &#8220;evidence(s)?&#8221;  </p>
<p>Maybe, maybe if these evidences are valid enough you may be able to change people to your perspective.</p>
<p>In the Court of Law, mere mention of the Library of Congress and others do not constitute evidence.  Under the law, everyone is given equal protection.  That is, if one is the defendant he can always present VALID evidence to clear his name.   </p>
<p>But until no VALID evidence is forwarded, the FACTS remain, the HISTORICITY of the NAME Kali as the unadulterated supreme Mother Art of all Filipino Martial Arts is a a big question mark that awaits to be authenticated.  </p>
<p>And yes, in the Republic of the Philippines, the Death Penalty can only be issued by the Courts of Law, unless otherwise we&#8217;re talking of unlawful death penalty just like in the Maguindanao Massacre.</p>
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		<title>By: Rommel Tortal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rommel Tortal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 03:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have history of the Kali existence from the U.S.Library of congress,Kalimantan Java Historical Archive,and Indonesian Historical Board..Most of the historical facts we have cannot be seen or read in Filipino Historical Book or any data, not even in most Philippine Libraries...Time will come that Pekiti-Tirsia Kali System will smash this facts to all money maker and so called fma instructors specifically in Negros Occidental..This instructors are actually the ADULTERATOR and PROSTITUTE of the Filipino culture..Usually mixing up the purity of FMA with chinese or japanese art..A total disgrace and humiliation to the embraced cultural pride of Filipinos...An act punishable by death!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have history of the Kali existence from the U.S.Library of congress,Kalimantan Java Historical Archive,and Indonesian Historical Board..Most of the historical facts we have cannot be seen or read in Filipino Historical Book or any data, not even in most Philippine Libraries&#8230;Time will come that Pekiti-Tirsia Kali System will smash this facts to all money maker and so called fma instructors specifically in Negros Occidental..This instructors are actually the ADULTERATOR and PROSTITUTE of the Filipino culture..Usually mixing up the purity of FMA with chinese or japanese art..A total disgrace and humiliation to the embraced cultural pride of Filipinos&#8230;An act punishable by death!</p>
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		<title>By: Rommel Tortal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rommel Tortal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 03:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a strong evidence that Kali as a Philosophy had been existed here in the island of Negros..Those who does not believe in its existence must be lack of research about the Shri Vijayan Empire that once ruled the visayas region (negros)..All they are talking and referring about are history and ethemology from spanish era...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a strong evidence that Kali as a Philosophy had been existed here in the island of Negros..Those who does not believe in its existence must be lack of research about the Shri Vijayan Empire that once ruled the visayas region (negros)..All they are talking and referring about are history and ethemology from spanish era&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pugakang</title>
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		<dc:creator>pugakang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i presented this &quot;kali&quot; myth as muslim bladed fighting/martial arts to my tausog friends...
they flatly deny it&#039;s never a part of their lupahsog heritage...
i ceased then to press the issue further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i presented this &#8220;kali&#8221; myth as muslim bladed fighting/martial arts to my tausog friends&#8230;<br />
they flatly deny it&#8217;s never a part of their lupahsog heritage&#8230;<br />
i ceased then to press the issue further.</p>
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		<title>By: hansy alojado</title>
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		<dc:creator>hansy alojado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 04:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, mr. sy. let us not distort our history.</description>
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